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Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865):

"My earlier views of the unsoundness
of the Christian scheme of salvation

and the human origin of the scriptures

have become clearer and
stronger with advancing years,

and I see no reason for thinking
that I shall ever change them."

religion can NOT be right,

but ALL can
be wrong."

"You are an intelligent human being.

Your life is valuable for its own sake.

You are not second-class in the universe, deriving meaning and purpose from some other mind.

You are not inherently evil
- you are inherently human,

possessing the positive rational potential to help make this a world of morality, peace and joy.

Trust yourself."

[ Dan Barker,
Former minister - now with
Freedom From Religion Foundation
in "Losing Faith in Faith" ]

New reformation Leaving








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My story

Blog ( Shorter items + Updates )

Dawkins Debate



Hans Denck

Crucial to understanding the Bible ( Slavery )


Aspects of leaving



Why did "Jesus have to die"

What is in the Bible ?

Precursor ideas, Syncretism & Competition - Developmental view of Religion ( incomplete )

The painful development of "Traditional" beliefs...

Is subjective "proof" valid ?? ( incomplete )

"Body and Blood" : our link to the very early...





From my original site :

Psychological Issues of Former Members of Restrictive Religious Groups

Implications for Theology

The Complete Secularist

Letting Go of God

Free Thinking & Islam

Some quotes

( changed to the new site style )


Holy Spirit Guides Believers Pain Islam find in the Bible Religious competition Heaven Prayer Children find friends One God , Trinity Nature Inheriting Religion Society of Friends Phoenicians Dream Ethical Society Scapegoat Child Sacrifice Psycological effects Constantine El Credo falso Washed in His Blood Auspicious Who is right ? Suffering Child abuse Arianism school for ministry Roman Catholic Rationalist Emotion Buddhists A VOW TO THE LORD Want to believe Inspired Bible George Washington Unitarian God said it, I believe it, Settled Freedom Salvation Army Trust yourself Feelings Baptist Abraham Lincoln Outsider War get the Holy Spirit Wine Letting Go........ You are not inherently evil Study more Greek mythology God killed himself on the cross how do you get salvation ? Thomas Jefferson

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